Thursday, September 8, 2022

Vintage Nylon Used For Swimwear Post 2



With men inventing and marketing women's nylon tricot panties after nylon returned to the marketplace in the late 1940s, it didn't take long for, again, men to invent using nylon for swimsuits--beginning with competitive swimming.
For more than a decade, silk had been used for "tank suits" for competitive swimmers.  They were lightweight, fit tight to the body, and dried faster than the alternative wool suits.  Seems kind of a jump from wool to silk to nylon, but there was a time when modesty was considered an issue.  These weren't suits you would wear on the beach, but a certain amount of "maleness" was basically ignored for swimmers.  It became part of the look and even though their maleness was on very intimate display, the tank suits still covered a man's chest and nipples.  They seemed to have varying degrees of dinner support / modesty panels, but nothing short of a baggy suit really seemed to hide their parts.  No wonder naked swimming was not considered that big a deal.




The first nylon suits came out in the early 1950's with Adolph Kiefer crediting himself with having invented them in a video that was on their company website.  He was a famous swimmer, turned coach, turned major supplier of swimwear and products.  I've had more than 1 erotic variation of how he describes a couple of seamstresses from a major nylon panty manufacturer in Chicago for a weekend do design his new nylon suit.  Undoubtedly using swimmers from his own team (and/or his own body), they came up with a 100% nylon tricot swim brief minus the tank top.  His first suits (same as the ones for Ocean Champion Co. and the Dolfin Company, Gulbenkian, and a few others, all used an inner nylon brief slightly smaller than the slightly larger brief for the outside.  Both suits were independent of one another and joined at the waist along with a drawstring.  The Adolph Kiefer suits were slightly different in that they had a small nylon piece of fabric that was loosely connected at the crotch.  This prevented the inner and outer suit from becoming separated or twisted when drying.  This was before anyone had ever heard of Speedo which was becoming known in Australia and New Zealand.  Contrary to what they like to think, Speedo was not the first nylon tricot suit.  These suits were not worn skin tight so I guess they hadn't thought of drag yet as a problem.  One thing they all had in common was being able to see (in varying degrees) the faint outline of the inner suit.  It was, at least in the beginning, literally wearing a nylon panty as a supporting brief under your slightly larger outer brief.

The company that used this inner/outer suit to its best use was the Ocean Champion company.  They are still in business today, but more of a pool equipment company than a nylon swimsuit company.  They used the same basic design as Adolph Kiefer as far as the inner and outer nylon suits went, but went the one important step further:  Ocean Champion briefs slid together just as wearing 2 nylon panties would.  In other words, the AK suits would be like wearing 1 panty inside out and the other right side out.  Nylon to nylon but no silkiness, no sliding.  Still, 2 layers of nylon, but no "activity."  For a period of about 15 years, Ocean Champion suits were different.  As soon as you took your suit out of the box, you could already tell the difference.  Just the weight of the 2 briefs caused the nylon to slide or be "slippery" in your fingers.  The immediate response was always to feel and slide the nylon between your fingers.  Guys might say, "hey, these feel silky" or I remember one saying,  "I've got my silk undies on."  In an era of every guy having to wear one of a dozen different brands of white underwear, they were ALL cotton.  Unless they had already discovered that their sisters got to wear silky nylon tricot panties, they were totally clueless as to what was out there.  They immediately pulled down their thick cotton briefs and stepped into and pulled up their silky, sliding, nylon tricot suits.  Of course, you can guess what happened in most cases.  Since we were all circumcised and out cocks were now in 2 sliding, slippery layers of nylon that moved across head, yeah, it was boner time!  Most guys grabbed their towels to hide the bulge, some showed off and laughed, but most quickly dove into the pool to hide their embarrassment.  However, that fist initial feeling of sliding 2 silky layers of nylon tricot through your fingers and then feeling it on your cock head, was one of the unforgettable experiences.  Obviously more for some of us and less for others!  P.S. I have quite a few vintage Ocean Champion suits.  Even some brand new ones that never made it out of the box in 50 years--and yes, just as silky.  Sometimes people on eBay get a little greedy.  I mean if someone is stupid enough to pay a starting price of $188 for a $12-15 suit, you still are charging them $12 for postage?  Mostly these suits don't get sold at these prices.  I doubt I have ever paid more than $25.  Typical of someone trying for a ripoff, they don't even know these were not from the 1930's ("pre-nylon") but the 50's or 60's.



So here's a group of swimmers from the early 50's.  The outer 2 are obviously wearing their 100% silky nylon Ocean Champion suits.  The guy in the middle must be a diver because he's got one of those nasty, durable diving suits.  Looks like his male package would like some of the silky nylon the others have on.  Something you will see almost ALL the time, the guys have one or both hands on their suit.  When these suits are dry, the 2 layers of nylon easily slide over each other.  It's a really great feeling for these guys who are not wearing anything else but their 100% silky n ylon suits.  Just feeling that silky nylon move even 1/2" felt really good.  It was something I always watched for.  I would go one step further whenever we would pose for pictures and have our hands behind each other, just letting a couple of my fingers rest on their waistband or maybe a little lower and feel their nylon slide a little bit.  Of course my goal was always to steal their nylon suit so I could also feel what they had been feeling.  But sometimes, if the coach didn't replace their suit with another one the same, it kind of ruined it.


Both have their hands firmly placed on their 2 layers of nylon.  It's almost an unconscious thing that you just move your fingers slightly and feel the silky nylon move.



You'll almost never see their hands or fingers up on their skin unless the suit is wet.  Sadly, nylon only remains silky when it is dry--luckily it doesn't take long for their suits to dry out

Always so hot to see a big bulge inside his 2 silky layers.  One thing you may notice, most of these double nylon suits will have an exposed seam on the inner brief in the front.  Stupid idea and in an even more stupid place since, if it's on the inside, your cock head can be really irritated by it.  You can see just the faint line of his down the middle of his inner suit.



You can clearly see the inner brief on some of their suits.  The color range was fairly basic.  Obviously, blue or red showed the most (their gold was the best) with their black more of just a void.  The date on this picture is 1950, but the signed portion says 1959 which is more likely.

Just a technical consideration, as stated earlier, the obvious reaction to feeling 2 silky layers of nylon sliding over your cock head is almost immediate and hard to resist if you are alone.  If a little silky sliding feels good, what happens when you put your hand on the front of yours suit and start sliding?  Feeling the silky nylon slide over your ass or your balls would make it very obvious to me, I needed to blow my load into those silky layers ASAP.  Something that is so frustrating to me, SO many guys will call something a "speedo cum" or some other reference to cumming and nylon, but also they do is rub their bare hand on their bare cock with the nylon Speedo barely in side around their balls and then jerk off.  I guess they're really not that turned on by them or they just never learned how to do it, but here is a little example.  Stick your cock out of your silky nylon Mormon garment (although it's perfectly possible to slide your nylon up and down them.  In this case it is an Adolphy Kiefer nylon suit from a coach who always wore it around the pool and never got it wet (chlorine kills nylon) and a regular store-bought super silky suit inside it (for MAXIMUM silkability).  Let the sliding begin and see what happens!



This is a pretty rare photo and still kind of sad.  The thought that they had a completely separate swim team for African Americans.  I've seen some strange posing techniques but putting your fist next to the shiny suit of your neighbors is kind of different.  I also like to see who is ok with their manspreading is Alpha and how much of the other guys leg they can touch.  Those that sit their with their legs together probably are fairly wimpy in bed.  Although the wimpiest guy with a pout on his face nad his hand jammed next to him feeling both his leg and his satin suit.  Putting a large black guy into a silky double nylon suit for a team picture would just be cruel....  These suits look like they're keeping everything under control



Something unfortunate is how few coaches are pictured in their nylon suits.  It's very rare to find a team photo with a coach in his nylon suit.  From personal experience, I observed early on, coaches who were their nylon suit (often of the vintage variety), they seldom get them wet.  If your nylon suit gets wet and you hang it up to dry, it's just a dry boring suit.  However, if you were it around (underwear under your regular clothes or just on the beach all day) and don't get it wet, it becomes SUPER silky and ready to get you or another swimmer off almost like it was brand new.  So a coach who wears his nylon suit around the pool all day and doesn't dive in and who then leaves his suit hanging in his locker is a super silky nylon suit going to waste.  I have relieved several coaches of their worn nylon suit.  Not a problem, they just put on a different one the next day like they've already forgotten about the one that I got to enjoy--again and again.  This guy has on a gold colored one--could be one of a few brands but definitely nylon.

It's possible that this suit could be a Dolfin suit from the same period.  You can see his inner brief disguised as a wrinkle above the edge of his suit.  Dolfin was the only other manufacturer of nylon suits who used the inner liner/brief that slide under the outer nylon one.  The other manufacturers along with both Ocean Champion and Dolfin, srarted reversing their inner brief so that it no longer slid under the outer suit.  I can't imagine what difference that would have made after 10 or more years, but it could have been some complaint about the boners it caused or who knows?  There was a very abrupt END to the sliding layers in the mid to late 60's.  Hard to tell when the exact date was because those suits had been around for a long time without any real changes other than more colors or added side panel or minor changes to that style of suit.  The bigger changes came when Speedo entered the market and blew most of the others out of the water....so to speak.  I wonder if people even know that there was a time when Speedo only meant a 100% nylon tricot Speedo?  Very rare to ever see any other brand (except smaller, regional companies).  You would have been laughed at if you referred to someone else's suit as a Speedo when it was really a Dolfin or Hart Suit.  What's nice is that these vintage suits became more of a practice or workout suit.  They kept the fairly high waist.  No need to turn your cock horizontally to keep it in and get off.  You could have a full-masted hard-on straight up and be totally covered by your single or double nylon suit, still get a thumb behind your frenelum and be able to blow your usual huge load into the silky nylon waiting for it.




These vintage-looking Ocean Champion suits were still in use well into the 1960's  More often seen on coaches, workouts, or summer swim camps.  Single panel, still 100% nylon tricot, were well entrenched by the early to mid 60's.  The older Ocean Champions got left behind or more easily acquired as a result.







"So are you new in town?  Do you come here often?  Is that a 100% nylon tricot suit you're wearing?"  All questions thought of, but seldom asked.  I know I told the story at least once in the past 10 years of blogging, but I am literally where I am today because of a blue, nylon Jantzen suit.  If he hadn't been wearing it, I never would have talked to him, left my then current BF, and moved half way across the world for grad school and be with him.  There were many years of happy nylon wearing and ejaculating until his fateful words, "I think you like underwear more than you like me!"  Busted!

Funny how that inner liner and outer suit can be so completely camouflaging on some guys in some suits.  It has the same waistband and one of those wrinkles is his inner suit, but not a whole lot going on.  I used to love hearing guys when they would say how they had to wear their suit because all their underwear (all white cotton briefs) were in the wash.  Funny how they had to feel justified to even say that--of course they just wanted to wear the silky nylon--no need for flimsy excuses.  I used to keep a supply of nylon suits in my truck--just sort of spilling out of my gym bag.  It didn't happen as often as I'd liked, but meeting a guy 9even from the gym), offering him a ride home, a simple comment from me about the Speedo mess in my truck--always wear them, etc.  Wind up parking somewhere, making out, unzip....hey, how'd that silky nylon Speedo wind up on your cock sliding up and down your shaft?



Such a sweet angelic look standing there wearing nothing else by his 100% nylon suit waiting for me to get him off in it.  As the single front panel Speedo made their inroads (like winning all the gold at the Olympics), these more established companies came out with their own versions.  The best part was that many of them kept the same "full size" look.  To me it just always meant more playroom and less chance the guy would want to pull them down--not on my watch bro!  Plus, their nylon tended to be better, silky and sturdy.  You can easily see the edge of his front panel.  Such a shame they never made them so they would slide--what's the point of having 2 layers of nylon tricot and not having them slide over your cock?  Well, I jerked many guy off inside his suit just based on the non-sliding quality of 1 or 2 layers.  If things weren't going my way, grabbing another nylon "something" and getting them off also worked.  I wonder how many guys thought I was just rubbing one of the nylon Speedos they saw in my truck when it was really a couple of pairs of super nylon panties?  Their cock didn't care one bit--just blew their entire load into whatever was moving on their cock.



AAt least on these you can see he's got a  nice, cut cock just waiting to have a little nylon stimulation to get his juices flowing.  I'd always try to have a plan B to be able to keep his suit after I got him off inside his.  I lost many a good suit just to be able to keep the one with another guy's load in it.


I wonder what coach thought of this pose?  Their jackets would normally have covered most of theit suits, but this way, they kind of ride up because of the diving board.  My fantasy was to just leave them there posing and talking to each other and start with the guy on the left and ejaculate each one of them as I went down the board underneath.  It would be neat to see how they would talk to each other while they were having their silky nylon suits ejaculating them.


I like the way the guy on his left looks like he's got a finger on the other guy's double nylon suit.  The guy on the right almost looks like he's wearing a silk suit.  Wish I could go and investigate what's going on here...

I had this lightened up a bit more and you could see a little more detail...but we know they are all wearing some silky double nylon suits.  Imagine if frotting had been invented back then.  Guys would frot with each other and bet on who was going to shoot their loads into their suits first....


Such clear Ocean Champion waistbands and clear inner nylon briefs here.  I sure hope their geeky coach has got his double sliding Ocean Champion suit on, too.  You can clearly see the inner nylon briefs on the outside 2 guys.  "Ok guys, on the count of 3 you start rubbing your nylon suits.  First one who shoots inside gets to spend the night with coach and his lost Speedo collection....


Speaking of coaches wearing their nylon suits, I didn't notice that this coach had on his nylon Ocean Champion suit, too!  Just follow his stripe down and...BINGO!  Just a mention that water polo kept these large, silky nylon suits around for another decade or more.  Imagine being able to semi-legitimately grab a guy's Ocean Champion bulge underwater!  Unfortunately, the nylon won't slide much and you could get fouled out, but if you do get away with it, plan on the guy you grabbed doing the same thing to you.  Be ready for him and be hard!  What's he going to do, yell "HARD ON!"  Some really nice double nylon packages showing including a silky vintage Speedo with a cloth label.  Check out the size of that silky nylon suit on the guy on the right in the front.  When suits are obviously that large and silky, such a shame you can't get a load off in them before they get wet and lost a lot of their silkiness.

I'll cover this more under wrestling, but a lot of wrestlers used to wear Ocean Champion and Dolfin suits when they're wrestling.  You could always see their little inner panty line.  Unfortunately, sometimes you could see their jock strap, too,  Criminal!



I'm fortunate to have 2 of these double nylon Speedo suits.  Designed for water polo, 2 layers about the same size and sewn together with super silky nylon tricot.  I bought one pair in London when I lived there and I "found"another one hanging from a guy's stick shift inside his truck with an open window.  I had seen something nylon-looking when he got out of his truck.  Just walking by, I jumped up and saw what I immediately knew what it was and the 2nd jump was to snag it.  The stolen one was just as silky feeling as the one I'd bought.  I wish I'd paid more attention to the guy who had it on his gear shift.


This is just to bate you for Part 2 of Post 2, Vintage Nylon Still used Today!  Gotta love those Smith Point lifeguards who continue their long tradition of wearing these silky nylon suits every summer for lifeguarding (and I suspect in the winter for more pleasurable things)  100%, full-cut suits with the inner brief.  You can clearly see his cut head on the left.  I can never remember the brand, but I've never seen one or heard of it.  I know someone (never met) who has described them to me.  If you can't wait, just google Smith Point Lifeguard pictures.  There are some amazing ones.  I've posted most before so you can always look at previous posts.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good to have you back!

Dave

jester said...

I just read ur blog.
To say it was interesting properly is an understatement.

I like the idea of green silkies is good to my way of thinking....
at least you can act out your fetish "hidden in plain sight" and still appear to be butch.

However purchasing them as u describe them appears to be a hassle(?)

But at least like me u appear to be forth coming and no pretence.

I hope to hear more from you.

Jester